. >> they go -- >> you are accepting of that lifestyle and those choices. >> and that's a big thing, that you don't have to get through that. that's a really big thing. >> you collaborated for a while, didn't you? >> i can't he. >> you have worked together? >> yeah, we're going to do a show next month in madrid together. >> i was going to ask about that, what's that like, how does that go. >> well, we were very inspired by john zorin, really a kind of improv, wonderful horn player and wonderful composer, i could never imagine going out on the stage and having no idea what i was going to do, i mean none, none and he was like yeah, we'll just go out there and we'll start playing. i was like we do? oh. and it was so much fun once i sort of began to dd that. because i had a -- he's a jazz musician. i'm an experimental musician, [indiscernible] rock musician, these are all just kind of silly categories. until i realized that when i was in i guess erlin or a long time ago, i was booked for some reason into a jazz festival. and it was loosely, you know -- so i was doing my story, song, litt